No Custom Work - An Agency Podcast
No Custom Work is hosted by Chris Willow and Alex Zakka from Wayfront. They get to see how thousands of agencies run their services, and they've learned a few things along the way.
On No Custom Work, you're listening in as they figure things out: what they're doing at Wayfront, what they're seeing in agencies, and what they've changed their minds about since the last episode.
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Ep. 20 · October 21, 2026 · 00:30:26
AI for Agencies Who’s Adopting It and Who’s Holding Out
Chris is back from his first ever conference talk at BrightonSEO, where the crowd was full of brand-new agency owners and the talks were less AI-forward than he expected. So we get into who's adopting AI and who's holding out, plus Chris's plan to write a book for a Google knowledge panel, whether AI can stay this cheap, and a guy at Brighton asking Chris if he'd heard of Service Provider Pro.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 19 · October 14, 2026 · 00:33:44
Agency Sales Funnel (And Are Hormozi Style Offers Worth It?)
Our sales funnel is a free trial or a booked call, and all we send before that call is a 24-hour reminder, so we argue over qualifying questions, proof up front and whether buyers want a call at all. We also get into Higgsfield AI's huge annual discount, Hormozi-style offers, keeping the order form short until the client pays, and deals in Wayfront sales pipelines.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 18 · October 7, 2026 · 00:34:09
Does Your Client Portal Need an App? (And Should Clients Pay Card Fees?)
Chris pictures clients searching the App Store for Wayfront just to reach their agency's portal, so we make the case for PWAs over native apps. We also get into whether agencies should pass card fees on to clients, a Wayfront agent clients could text, Chris programming his KNX lights with AI, and Jev, a yes/no model for spam tickets.
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Ep. 17 · September 23, 2026 · 00:33:25
LinkedIn for Agency Owners (And Why Lead Gen Promises Never Work)
Our LinkedIn has been bombing, so we argue whether another viral post fixes it or steady posts that compound win out. We also get into lead gen pitches with nothing believable behind them, cold calls, building a Google Knowledge Graph entity, and why Chris hired a running coach after two years of relying on AI.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 16 · September 16, 2026 · 00:30:09
Client Reporting for Agencies (And Do Clients Care If You Use AI)
Clients ask for reports and then never read them. Chris and Alex get into what an update has to look like to actually get opened, then into whether clients care that you used AI to make it. Plus portal setup paralysis, MCP connectors, and the Grok versus Claude argument.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 15 · September 9, 2026 · 00:35:29
How to Scale an Agency Without Turning It Into a SaaS
Chris argues the SaaS dream needs to die: 99% of agency owners aren't scaling anything, and the thing holding them back was always distribution. Plus white label markups, client budget brackets, what clients still pay agencies for in ten years, and whether a client's AI will start buying agency services on its own.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 14 · September 2, 2026 · 00:30:59
Agency to SaaS: What Changes When AI Delivers the Work
Chris is prepping a BrightonSEO talk on turning an agency into a SaaS, so we spend this one picking apart whether the move delivers what owners expect from it. Pricing arguments, the AI dividend, fully AI delivered services, and why most churn has nothing to do with you.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 13 · August 26, 2026 · 00:32:55
AI Sales Agent for Agencies Follow-Ups, Reviews and Upsells on Autopilot
An AI sales agent for agencies (review requests, upsells, personal dunning), why hourly billing caps your income in the age of AI, and how to spot the clients that cost you money.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 12 · August 19, 2026 · 00:32:15
Does Cold Outreach Still Work?! (We Even Tried Physical Mail)
Does cold outreach actually work? Honest answers, including our physical mail experiment that got exactly one call back. Plus founder brands on LinkedIn, a marketing data warehouse, and the Wayfront redesign going live everywhere.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 11 · August 12, 2026 · 00:32:39
Turns Out the ChatGPT App Is Not the Upgrade We Thought
One week after saying the native apps had made our AI agent redundant, the ChatGPT app started hanging and we started rethinking it. Plus Stripe's UI problem, the Airtable sale, and why book a call is becoming a vibe check.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 10 · August 5, 2026 · 00:34:49
We Killed Our AI Agent (One Week After Planning a Course About It)
Chris and Alex kill their custom AI agent one week after planning a course about it, then get into why you can't build for everyone, AI as a weight loss coach, and a fully automated AI slop experiment.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 9 · July 29, 2026 · 00:34:10
230,000 People Saw Our Pricing Post. Half of Them Hated It.
Our LinkedIn post about public pricing did 230,000 impressions and started a fight in the comments. We go back through the best counterarguments, including the one aimed at our own hidden price, plus portal redesigns, texting trial signups, and a trial that ends when you land your first client.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 8 · July 22, 2026 · 00:34:57
Google Ranks You Higher When People Complain (Court Docs Confirm It)
Court docs confirm Google uses behavior data to rank sites, and spammers are abusing it with complaint forms. Plus GEO repackaging, the Wayfront rebrand payoff, and why every agency offer now needs a guarantee.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 7 · July 15, 2026 · 00:39:40
Why Agencies That Hide Their Pricing Lose Clients
Chris and Alex on why hiding your agency's pricing behind a "book a call" button costs you clients, and what to publish instead.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 6 · July 1, 2026 · 00:50:06
We Asked an Agency Owner If AI Is Killing the Agency Business
Our first ever guest. Joey Sendz from Instant Press joins us to talk through whether AI is killing the agency business or just raising the bar. AI writing slop, vibe-coded websites, the OpenAI support black hole, white-labeling, and whether starting an agency is still the fastest way to make money.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 5 · June 17, 2026 · 00:37:15
Google Made Our Website Invisible for 3 Months
Our site vanished from Google for three months after we rebranded to Wayfront. Crawled, never indexed, not our fault. Plus the AI agent stuff we've been building and why old trials are worth a second look.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 4 · June 3, 2026 · 00:36:06
The Unscalable Stuff We Do That Big Companies Can't
We get into what we're actually building and trying at Wayfront right now, and a lot of it is stuff that makes zero sense at scale. Free merch we ship to trial users and our best customers. A phone number field on the trial form where Chris personally reaches out to help set up your account. None of it is really profitable, but it's the personal stuff bigger companies can't be bothered with, and that's kind of the point. We also talk through building AI agents into the app versus relying on rigid if-this-then-that rules, why we cut AI buzzwords from the homepage, and the months-long saga of our site still not being indexed on Google.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 3 · May 20, 2026 · 00:44:58
Most AI Advice for Agencies Is Noise. Here's What Isn't.
Alex and Chris talk through how agency owners can stop feeling overwhelmed by every new AI tool and tactic, and focus on the small handful of things that actually move the needle in 2026. They get into why MCP is the one piece of AI infrastructure worth adopting now, why llms.txt and an "info for AIs" page can change how AI tools recommend you, how Claude Skills on GitHub are quietly becoming one of the best lead magnets for agencies, and where AI still can't be trusted (hint: anything client-facing). They also share how they built a free agency analytics tool inside Wayfront in days, replacing what used to take months.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 2 · April 27, 2026 · 00:46:47
Agencies Don't Need 20 People Anymore
We talk about what's actually changing inside agencies right now. Our AI agent buddy switched to Hermes, got a Slack integration, and is now pre-triaging tickets through MCP. We also get into why agencies are reducing headcount without losing output, why the line between agency and SaaS is getting blurry, and the Duolingo cautionary tale of going full AI too early.
Watch on YouTubeEp. 1 · April 22, 2026 · 00:42:02
Stop Hyping AI. Here's What It's Actually Like.
We talk about the gap between AI hype and what it's actually like to use it every day, why LinkedIn feels like a necessary evil, conference merch that actually works (and our biggest failures), losing all your hobbies when you have kids, and managing holidays across a fully remote team.
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